Hypocrite. About 4 times i've quoted the part where you said Carbs are the bodies main source of fuel. Lol - i need to read more nutrition sites. Okai. Appreciate the suggestions man.
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Convenient how you ignore almost all the points I make in previous posts.
Hypocrite. About 4 times i've quoted the part where you said Carbs are the bodies main source of fuel. Lol - i need to read more nutrition sites. Okai. Appreciate the suggestions man.
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I seriously wonder whether you actually read my posts properly? Yes, congratulations you did manage to quote me saying that 4 times, and 4 times I've
explained what I meant by it and then you just respond with "Noes high carb diet bad, you're dumb, i'm a nutrition genius!1". Yes, do read
nutrition sites and (regardless of the fact I've already told you many times but your arrogance seems to prevent you from understanding) you may understand
what I'm saying about carbohydrates. I suggest http://www.mckinley.uiuc.edu/Handouts/macronutrients.htm - http://www.vegsoc.org/info/basic-nutrition.html -
http://urbanfreeflow.com/deep_end/diet/index.htm and http://www.foodandhealth.com/CHO101.pdf
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bjlang |
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Boys, instead of arguing and trying to project your egos over the internet, why don't you provide some links to information. Possibly links to where you
learned about this subject in the first place? It saves time and confusion...
http://bjlang.blogspot.com/
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DonHarry |
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Boys? I'm older than you.....
Start acting it right? Lol.
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bjlang |
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Heheh, you got it!
But seriously, someone needs to get this sorted out. Tones of new folks are coming onto the forums and asking the same questions over and over again. Particularly with regards to diet and fitness conditioning. Maybe make a list of reliable, accurate internet sources that cover all of the questions asked about diet that you guys all agree on. New comers can be directed to the resources whenever a repetitive question is asked, it just saves time and effort!
http://bjlang.blogspot.com/
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seal36 |
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sounds good, i would use it if it existed. i didnt check on the other pages for diet threads, sorry about that. donharry, seeing as your such a good traceur
skill wise you probablly konw your stuff better than aterm.
Why do you guys call cigs fags? Just wondering....Because that makes it sound like your buying gay people
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aterm |
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lawl
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seal36 |
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obviously, you can be good at parkour and not know a thing about nutrition but a lot of the better people do know about it, so its reason enough to trust his
opinion over yours.
Why do you guys call cigs fags? Just wondering....Because that makes it sound like your buying gay people
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aterm |
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deserves a lawl, regardless.
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cardsharp |
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conditioning:
www.americanparkour.com sign up for workout of the day emails. they're a crossfit affiliate. www.crossfit.com you can watch their WOD vids on the main page. they ain't no cakwalk. www.mattfurey.com check out teh books combat conditioning and combat abs if you're really really a noob. they'll get you motivated and on the right track to building endurance. plus, as you progress, there's more exercises in the book you can supplement your workout with. they're about $30 each. www.stewartsmith.com check out his book "navy Seal Fitness, the 12 weeks to BUD/S program" this workout could quite possibly kill you. if you think you can condition like a navy SEAL (or want to) this book is awesome. it's also great for a few new workout ideas to keep you from getting bored. it's also available on amazon.com just look up Stew Smith
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WillWayland |
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Matt Furey has been proven to be a fraud,
As for seal fitness and crossfit i disdain survival style training sessions, there must be a continuity within the training cycle and we must realize that the exercise is not as important as when and how to apply it. Blasting people with workouts that tire them is easy a lot of trainers do it. Its like taking a sledge hammer to a block of marble to make a statue. I like some of cross fits idea's but it comes across to me as GPP sessions, no specific power/strength improvement qualities. |
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WillWayland: I like the sound of this carb-caused 'insulin spike'. What would you say would be a good amount of carbs to take on for this, and in what
form? Cheers!
Stoney : NOF
Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing. |
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WillWayland wrote: the seal fitness book isn't about survival training. it's geared to ramping up your body to passing the navy SEAL fitness standards. and the book has a very specific continuity and training cycles. if you can complete it, let me know. it's intense. as for the matt furey books and crossfit routines (i like the ones on americanparkour.com), i do with them like i do with every fitness routine i come across. i try out the routine, pick and choose what i like, what i can use, and what is actually functional, and supplement my own routine with them. Bruce Lee did the same thing to create Jeet Kune Do. you have to take what is useful to you and apply it, and leave the rest. i like building my own routines. there's so much information out there on the net, and filtering the crap out is even harder than finding the information sometimes. there's no one set answer to any question. from the seal fitness book, i took the advice on the running and some good warm up stretches, as well pyramid pull ups (which i don't use as much these days). from matt furey's book, the back bridge is great, but i had learned it already in gymnastics. there were some variations in there for beginners that could prove useful to some. and from APK, their warm up routine rocks. and the daily emails always include a great exercise or variation of one you probably do or know, that you can add in to your routine.
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WillWayland wrote: link? source?
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WillWayland |
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Numerous, Furey is a prolific internet sales man
http://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/93.cfm?sd=2 http://www.ironlife.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59578 http://www.bullshido.org (search around) I used to follow the JKD approach to training but i ended up with a morass of conflicting methods, sure ill use methods that can fit within what Im doing, but alot of time cherry picking things will lead to missing the overall aim set out by the original author. I believe Christian Thibadeau wrote about the issue of people picking choosing training methods and mixing them. See you used the term functional and this makes me switch off, if a training method is not conductive towards training goals then it could be considered nonfunctional. Crossfit seems to be very en vogue at the moment and for alot of people it works (weight training meets energy systems work means condensed training times). But still certain strength/speed/power qualities that are crucial to traceurs/freerunners are not being trained. The same thing with Navy Seal fitness, traceurs are not navy seals so why should they train like one. Will these methods get you fit, yes. Will they make you the best you could be for pk/fr, no. Inisant http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/masseating_2.htm Basically the evidence suggest a ratio of 2 carbs to 1 protein works really well. Usually i recommend 60g carbs to 30g protein |
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I read that the sharp insulin response also has the effect of placing the body in a state where it is more likely to store additional food energy as fat rather
than muscle. Is this true, do you know? Does it outweigh the benefits of the protein synthesis aid?
This info was regarding high-glycemic carbs by the way.
Stoney : NOF
Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing. |
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WillWayland |
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Yup high GI carbs post training cause a huge insulin spike and replenish Glycogen stores and shuttle protein to where it needs to go, but i can also do it with
fat too.
And because of this receptive state fat is best avoided. Hence JB recommends eating protein + fat and protein + carbs but never fat + carbs. (obviously small amounts of the fat will be present in P+C meals and carbs in P+F meals) |
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WillWayland wrote: i read a lot of different posts online about the matt furey controversy. i didn't kno it was that big a deal. anyone that goes to his website can see that it is structured like any of a number of "sales" sites. and i haven't sampled all of his material (i wouldn't want to. some it sounds too good to be true... and it most likely is.), but i can speak for the combat conditioning. the exercises in it do their job. is the book overpircied and is he taking advantage of people by selling it at that price? yes, absolutely. but you can't fault him for being a capitalist. as for the fraud stuff, that seems to be only related to his dealings with karl gotch and his other wrestling claims. it's not about the techniques in combat conditioning (or apparently combat abs, which i don't have.). those techniques were around long before matt furey, and certainly work. do i think he's a chub that doesn't take his own advice and just wants cash? mos def. do i think the exercises work? yup. as for the navy seal book, i think tracuers can certainly benefit from it. the workout involves a ton of running, and almost all bodyweight exercises. both running and lifting/moving one's bodyweight are essential to a tracuer. and if you have never conditioned or had a regemented routine before, the book is certainly helpful (which was my point in recommending it). as for crossfit... i just found out about it this year, and i'm not sure if i like it or not yet. their WODs are certainly challenging. (way above my level) but i don't do them. some of their routines occasionally have an exercise or a variation that interests me and i'll try it. but... meh. APK ( crossfit affiliate) uses tehir WOD format to put out workouts for tracuers, and they are just as challenging and geared toward endurance, running, and strength training with mostly bodyweight exercises. and as for JKD method of learning, i must say that i don't like to just pick and choose parts of a discipline. i enjoy learning the basic skill set (from a martial artto gymnastics to parkour) because, IMHO, only after leanring the basics and sitcking with a discipline for a year or so can you really get a feel for it. as well as having enough knowledge about it to start deciding what's working and what's not. i don't think people should just start cut and pasting workouts from teh internet if they have no idea what they're doing. so i guess i agree with ya on that, for sure. cherry picking = teh suck. thanks for the matt furey info. i had that gut feeling he was shady (anyone who makes that many awesome claims is obviously lying anyway), but the exercises do work. and i was willing to risk $30. stupid? yes.
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DonHarry |
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Why do you want to be an endurance athlete? A traceur doesn't need to be able to run marathons, the idea is to be useful in a chase right? So you think
somone's going to chase you for 10 miles? I doubt it. It's far more sensible to train things like acceleration and agility to help you get out the
blocks faster, if you can lose the assailant in the first 200 yards then that's better than a long distance run. I personally think a traceur would not
need to run more than 400 meters in a chase, and that's pushing it, think how quickly chases are over. The guy catches you, or the more likely - you
accelerate away from him faster than he can run and he gives up because he realises he can't catch you. Also with regards to the bodyweight excercises -
they're moderate if you add weight but they're still limited. You couldn't get a totally complete workout plan from bodyweight alone, numerous
things would get neglected which if strengthened could save you an injury. I.e. show me a bodyweight excercise for your rotator cuffs, or scapular .....
Bodyweight should always be weighted when your strong enough, and if you don't then you won't progress in anything but endurance. Think though, you can improve your strength + Endurance synergistically if you train maximum strength. Say you want to improve your climbups, you simply try to do them faster, but there will be a point when you can't go any faster. Then you had 10k to the mix and again try to do it as fast as possible. When you are at the same speed you were without, your unweighted climpups will be faster than before, you'll be stronger AND the total number of climpups you can perform will have increased when you are unweighted. Seems damn efficient to train 3 things at once than just one.
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seal36 |
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how much are weighted vests/ankle weights?
Why do you guys call cigs fags? Just wondering....Because that makes it sound like your buying gay people
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